Posted Jun 14, 2013 by Michael L. Brown

Well, no sooner did I post a wonderful quote from Charles Spurgeon on Facebook tonight than someone decided to start a debate (claiming the quote was a great example of “hyper-grace” — whereas, in fact, Spurgeon stood firmly against what is taught in hyper-grace circles today; plus, I don’t post inspirational quotes to start debates!), someone else questioned why I an Arminian, would quote a Calvinist (loud sigh from me), and someone else got us sidetracked on the Hebrew names for God and Jesus. (Seriously!)

I’ve already addressed those who feel that any inspirational quote is the place for them to introduce their doctrine and start a debate (see here), finally having to stark blocking folks from posting when they just wouldn’t follow our simple posting guidelines. But I really didn’t expect to see tonight’s quote, which is as doctrinally generic as can be, to end up migrating over to a discussion about Hebrew names. (After all, this was the quote: “I thought I could have leaped from earth to heaven at one spring when I first saw my sins drowned in the Redeemer’s blood.” I deleted all the comments that weren’t relevant to the post so we could get back to rejoicing in Jesus-Yeshua!)

So, for the record, once again, THERE IS NO SUCH NAME AS YAHSHUA. It didn’t exist in biblical times and it has not existed as a genuine Hebrew name in history — until people who really didn’t understand Hebrew made it up, thinking that it somehow restored the “Yah” element (from “Yahweh”) into the Savior’s name. If you want more details on this, you can read my article here. (While I’m at it, there’s no such either as Yahushua — Joshua was pronounced ye-ho-shu-ah — and God’s name was NEVER pronounced Yahua or the like. (Loud sigh again.)

Having said all that, I feel like quoting Spurgeon again: “I thought I could have leaped from earth to heaven at one spring when I first saw my sins drowned in the Redeemer’s blood.” It makes me want to shout!

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Christopher James posted a comment · Jul 31, 2017
But there were also flash prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers amongst you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with their stories they have made up. the condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their Destruction has not been sleeping. (2 Peter 2:1-3) Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. We all stumble in many ways if anyone is never at fault in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to keep his whole body in check. When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small Rudder wherever the pilot wants go. Likewise the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great both. Consider what a great Forest is set on fire by a small spark. The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell. All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and creatures of the sea are being tamed and have been tamed by men, but no man can tame the tongue. it is the Restless evil, full of deadly poison. With the tongue we praise our Lord and father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. Out of the same mouth came praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. Can both freshwater and saltwater flow from the same spring? My brother is, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grape vine bear figs? Neither can a Salt Spring produce fresh water.
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Christopher James posted a comment · Jul 31, 2017
But there were also flash prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers amongst you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with their stories they have made up. the condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their Destruction has not been sleeping. (2 Peter 2:1-3) Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. We all stumble in many ways if anyone is never at fault in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to keep his whole body in check. When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small Rudder wherever the pilot wants go. Likewise the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great both. Consider what a great Forest is set on fire by a small spark. The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell. All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and creatures of the sea are being tamed and have been tamed by men, but no man can tame the tongue. it is the Restless evil, full of deadly poison. With the tongue we praise our Lord and father, and with it we Kirschman, who have been made in God's likeness. Out of the same mouth came praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. Can both freshwater and saltwater flow from the same spring? My brother is, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grape vine bear figs? Neither can a Salt Spring produce fresh water.
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Mr2Timothy4V2 posted a comment · Jul 28, 2017
rather than writing it all again you can rather visit my pages ( I don't ask for donations or sell anything - so don't worry Dr Brown you will not lose any business- your doctrines are popular as were those of Simon Magus so you are choosing the "right" market for mammon). If you are a Yahuda ( worshiper of Yah(uah) you will know and want to use his name and his son's name Yah'ushua you will be immersed (tebilah) into their names ie their teaching and authority not into the pagan idolatry of Babylon. If you cannot then it is prophecy being manifested of such an inability by the wicked/ lawless. https://truerevival.yolasite.com/his-name.php https://truerevival.yolasite.com/sunday-worship-terms.php https://truerevival.yolasite.com/error-of-lawlessness-corrected.php https://truerevival.yolasite.com/do-you-really-want-to-be-called-a-christian.php https://truerevival.yolasite.com/why-jesus-is-not-god.php
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redemption.digital posted a comment · Jul 09, 2017
Some of you are misguided and others of you worship the Law, in which you merely desire to enslave men by. But Christ came that we may have freedom and grace from the Law. Where under heaven or on earth can you find any other name by which men can be saved? Tell me: how many demons have you cast out in another name? How many sick have you healed using any other name? Have the dead been raised using any other name? After all, satan cannot cast out satan--a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. And so, you blaspheme God to say miracles are performed by another name? Really? You suffer foolishness for the sake of ignorance and pride! And for what? So you can contend with God's holy Word, as if you have some special knowledge that it reveals? That you call the work of God in the death, resurrection, and power of the Name of Christ Jesus a deception shows the condition of your heart. That you entertain a false and strange doctrine, in order to deny the Word of God, the Name of Jesus, and the Power of His Name demonstrates your unbelief! I John 4:1-3 "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. "2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; "3 every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world." So you teach in the spirit of antichrist. You teach lies and falsehood in denying the Name of Christ and the Power of His Name: Jesus. Show me men healed in another Name and I will show you a spirit of antichrist and falsehood--because no other Name exists in heaven or on earth with the power unto salvation, healing, and deliverance: the Name of Jesus Christ.
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DeaconDave posted a comment · Jul 01, 2017
Writing is our attempt at actualising sounds by creating symbols which are intended to represent the sounds we hear and emit in order to communicate. The Word became flesh, NOT the text. YHWH spoke. Yeshua Yahshua Yehoshua All representations of The WORD. Jesus is not a representation of the word. It is most probably Satans implant so when he - the Antichrist, comes onto the scene, calling himself Jesus, then many will be deceived. The point is not whether it is Yeshua or Yahshua (though it does matter), but that it is definitely not the deception - Jesus. On a personal note - the tone presented by "Dr." Brown and many commentators show a tremendous lack of love. Regrettably, this is a sign of the end times, the Messy-antic movement and is most probably a result of the Internet era. In Yahshua's awesome saving name, the name above all names, the ONLY name by which men can be saved. www.coyhwh.com
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Loldrbrown posted a comment · Jun 03, 2017
Ken duP Just-a-brother Yahgirl Tedwards Much love to you all may Yahweh continue to guide you So happy to love you in Christ! Glad to see your comments. (Drbrown is just a disinfo tool shame)
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Ken duP posted a comment · Jun 03, 2017
First of all, congrats for starting a discussion which are now into its 4th year. Probably the reason why your site comes 1st in a Google search for "Yahshua". In fact this discussion is 2000 years old and is increasing in momentum and confusion - but also in direction ... which is that people do increasingly accept some or other form of the Sacred Name rather than the baseless but spurious 'Jezus' which probably was 'Ye-Zeus' as used by former sun-god worshippers transferring that name onto their new-found Messiah The confusion reigns simply because commentators are trying to transliterate a Hebrew Name into various languages. They then end up. just in the English language, with dozens of variations. They argue about the spelling. They use 'sounds' (like the 'J') which did NOT exist in Hebrew! They incorporate new 'sounds' (like the 'z' for the middle 's') which is nowhere nearby the original Hebnrew sound. You yourself, Dr Brown, discard 'Yahushuah' but confirm and accept 'Yehoshuah'. (Short form 'Joshua'). So, you raise a storm and a condemnation about one letter - 'e' rather than 'a'. Is that truly academic, reasonable, logic? It is common knowledge that in any language, prionunciations will vary from person to person. The national habbit in all languages is to slur words, take a short cut, 'swallow' explicit more intricate lip movements, etc. While this may not be so conspicious in the English language, the Afrikaans language for example is brimful of this habit and comedians actually joke with what comes out of people's mouths from some words. In fact, it almost becomes a 2nd language and when authors write these usages explicitly, they are words that are not to be found in the Afriikaans dictionary. In Israel today, it is even far more apparent. With people coming from different nations back to Israel, and transferring to the 're-born' original Hebrew language, newcomers find it hard to understand the various usages by citizens. The same happened to Hebrew in the Diaspora over centuries. And here we come, newly 'enlightened' users of an ancient language, and argue about particlular variations like an 'a' for an 'e'. Here is a challenge - please list all the various Sacred name versions for the NT Messiah that you can find. Now crash-read through the list, slurring across the various forms and LISTEN to your self. You will hear almost the same rendering across all these versions - while users argue to death about the "dots and the commas" while condemning each other! And it all turns around 'Yeshua, Yoshua, Yahshua..." THIS is why Jews do NOT try and pronounce the Sacred names - for it is tantamount to you probably being offended by people calling you Dr Brawn, Braun, Buroun, Biron, Bowen etc etc Fact remains: if there was a NT Person by that Name, it was NEVER 'Jezus' - that is for sure and guaranteed. So stop using that Dr Brown. You may also do well to remove this condemnation from the Internet for you may just possibly find yourself on dangerous grounds. Let the river find its way through these newly formed terrotories after this End Time restoration quake. Build outlets rather than barriers and stick to the Main Stream of reality and Truth - for that shall find its way to Gan Eden restored.
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tedwards98 posted a comment · May 22, 2017
You're an Edomite, Dr. Brown. Of course you would deny the fact that Yahshua is a false name. But your god "Jesus" is the false one, because in original Hebrew (The language the original bible was written in) the letter "J" didn't even exist. And why are you getting so angry over something you can't help? That's the devil working in you. You are no god worshipper if you put this information in these confused, innocent peoples' head. Come on now, Esau. Oh what'd I just call you? Read the bible thoroughly, and you'd know. Here's a good place to start, Dr. Brown (Genesis 25:26). Good day, serpent Edomite.
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Tim S posted a comment · May 22, 2017
I like misskell's comment. Research is good, especially researching the original Hebrew, but you can't take everybody's word in a comment section (including mine). Misskell had the right idea when he wrote in the comments, "So I guess I will mosey on along and find my answer by continuing to read my "translated" bible and pray that God gives me eyes to see and ears to hear the answers that I need because I sure an not getting any answers from people who are not joyous to spread his Word."
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misskell posted a comment · Apr 20, 2017
I had this question and found myself on this page. And after reading all the comments I am more confuse than before and I got an eye full of very judgmental and mean people all trying to be RIGHT. So I guess I will mosey on along and find my answer by continuing to read my "translated" bible and pray that God gives me eyes to see and ears to hear the answers that I need because I sure an not getting any answers from people who are not joyous to spread his Word. That entire thread felt like an attack for some reason.
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Me posted a comment · Apr 09, 2017
To clarify my lower post, Immanuel is the name of "Yahweh's word" made flesh,human who made the sacrifice once and for all to forgive our sins. . Our creator's name is Yahweh.
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Me posted a comment · Apr 09, 2017
The man is right , there is no such thing as Yashua ,Yeshua and what not..... His name was Immanuel, (Isayah 7 verse 14) and again (Mathew 1 verse 22) . And dont dare calling Immanuel a title, do some research ,Immanuel is a Hebrew name.
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Yahgirl3 posted a comment · Apr 07, 2017
His name is yahshua meaning Yahweh is salvation
just-a-brother posted a comment · Apr 04, 2017
His name is Yeshua, and His name is extremely important. It says in the Bible, that His people will know His name. Yeshua is His name, meaning "Yahveh is Salvation," pointing to the father. Many people just want to argue, and do not really care about the truth. Not wise :-)
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Yahgirl3 posted a comment · Apr 02, 2017
If the people in the Bible where Hebrew...HOW CAN THEY PRAISE JESUS IF THERES NO LETTER J IN THE HEBREW LANGUAGE
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Yahgirl3 posted a comment · Apr 02, 2017
Can you please prove to me that his name is Jesus, or a God or Lord...as far as I know there's no J in the Greek,Hebrew, or Latin language. Search up IDMR on YouTube for more information..OR ASK YOUR OWN CHURCH TO PROVE IT TOO YOU...NO ONE CANT GIVE YOU LIFE IN HEAVEN YOU NEED TO BELIEVE IN THE TRUE NAME!
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jiffner1234 posted a comment · Feb 12, 2017
The name jesus was entered into the bible thru greek tanslation to english. Yahoshua Hamishiach is the original name used Greeks translated it to ieosus( very similar to zeus the sky god aka satan) then to jesus not even 400 years ago. Now we know Greeks were considered Creteans n didnt Paul say in the bible that all Creteans were liars? The letter j didn't exist when our savior walked the Earth not to mention if it was to be translated it would of been joshua, however why translate our saviors name except to confuse. THere is power in true name. Christ said he came in his father's name. The book of psalms says YAH is my salvation. ..yahoshua means YAH saves! Let's not forget God even in the old testament said to always call him by name. Let's see we have yahova,yahweh,yahoshua don't u see the truth? Christ said in the annoitment that you have if its real you need no man to teach for when the comforter (holy spirit ) comes it'll lead you into all truths. We have been given over to the captivity of Babylon using a Gregorian babylon calender,worshipping on pagan sun God's sundays, celebrating pagan holidays...our savior wasn't born on Christmas...Christmas means the mass murder of christ...easter goddess ISHTAR n her eggs of fertility. Our savior was born when new lambs are born. Book of Isaiah says what kinda temple can a man make for me? If earth is my footstool n heaven my crown! Do u not know you are the temple? When u pray don't be like the heathens standing in the synagogues babbling thinking his words will be heard because they won't. When u pray go to ur closet shut the door n when ur father in heaven hears you then you will be blessed... setup a warroom in ur own home. Do you not recognize the times? Nothing new under the sun! Christ told the lady at the well that the time has come when you will not longer have to go anywhere to worship for you will realize u r the temple. Our savior never wanted worship he said give it to his father. What is going on? How dare you say the name YAHOSHUA isn't real. God has honored the name jesus because your held accountable for what you know and he saw what the creteans were doing n have done by taking books out of our bible that are extremely important like books of enoch, war of the lords,etc n if u say thays not true read your bible because God is so amazing he left keys for his children to catch like saying was this not said in the book of enoch or book of jasfer. GOD is calling his children to come out of the mystery religion of Babylon. Babel means to confuse n thats exactly what has happened but our God is amazing spend time with him alone. Pray for the Holy Spirit to fill u n ask for wisdom n understanding of his word. The bible still stands but Gods beautiful hidden jewels are in there for you to find thru the guidance of the Holy Spirit not man.. Test all things as the bible says be as wise as a serpent n as gentle as a dove. WAKE UP remember who you are. U were chosen before the world was formed because you were there. Don't believe me read the book of job 38:4-21. His children hear his voice we follow no one else. For other shepherds came and lead many astray n would lead even the elect if that was possible.
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JustSomeMessenger posted a comment · Dec 07, 2016
There should not be an argument in this because look at the history of the Hebrew language... the old Hebrew was actually lost. That is why Yahweh as a pronounciation is ONLY A GUESS/APPROXIMATION. That is why Jews use "HASHEM" His Name to refer to God.
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Sachala posted a comment · Dec 07, 2016
http://sandirog.blogspot.in/2010/11/why-i-use-yahshua-and-not-yeshua.html
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Sachala posted a comment · Dec 07, 2016
https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjIrdHc5uHQAhXEHpQKHfbTDbkQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsandirog.blogspot.com%2F2010%2F11%2Fwhy-i-use-yahshua-and-not-yeshua.html&psig=AFQjCNF8zSjX1N7VVh3SNPc14EPoezBC1Q&ust=1481190489180778
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Rev. Randy K. posted a comment · Sep 09, 2016
Jesus is not the least bit confused about who people are praying to when they use the name "Jesus." There have been literally hundreds of thousands of prayers answered, miracles done, and healings performed in the name of "Jesus" since A.D. 33. When Jesus walked the earth, He was the hardest on those folks who were so concerned about every jot and tittle that they misspelled the word. Obviously times haven't changed in nearly 2,000 years.
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BornNraisedVega... posted a comment · Sep 08, 2016
How can anyone take you seriously? Please show me one instance that the name "Jesus" was ever written in Scripture? So before you attack people who want to honor Christ by atleast attempting to show reverence to his name, be atleast genuine or even educated in your assertions. When will guys like you stop pretending to be servants of Christ. It's time for you " Wolves in sheep's clothing" to go to where you came from and leave Gods work to those who truly are called.
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Yahgirl3 posted a comment · Aug 21, 2016
On my other comment I said there was no letter J 1400 years ago. My mistake I meant about 400 years ago
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Yahgirl3 posted a comment · Aug 07, 2016
Know what, I believe in Yahweh Elohim Yahshua. And me and most of the people in IDMR knows more things than the world. So if you don't want to know the true name its on you. I'm trying to have everlasting life with Yahshua the Messiah and you should try too.
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onlyjuan53 posted a comment · Jul 02, 2016
Yes, we can stop...at least one at a time. It is nonsense to think we know anything about Jesus, Yahweh, Yeshua, Josiah, or the Devil. I was not there. You were not there. Please stop pretending to know sh*t that you know nothing, at all, about.
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Yahgirl3 posted a comment · Jun 05, 2016
Can you please be quiet Dr.Brown , cause there is such thing as Yahshua and he is your holy father. So is Yahweh and Elohim. The true name isn't Jesus because there was no letter J about 1400 years ago so how could there be such thing as Jesus. And can you prove there's no such thing as Yahshua. If you need any proof of Yahweh Elohim yahshua go visit IDMR classes or the website. Gatesclass or Thepatternofeverything. Or just go on YouTube and search up IDMR. So never say there no such thing as Yahshua or he'll take away all your blessings.
SScOt posted a comment · May 24, 2016
Since Your computer won't let Me post, I wont waist My time
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hnava posted a comment · May 21, 2016
Oh, sorry Dr. Brown, I hadn't seen your article on this. I understand your position now. Still, I'm not convinced. It is my opinion that the true name of God is very important, it is holy and it is not interchangeable. God made the heavens and the earth with the power of this word, he had to have said the precise words. As a Spanish translator with 15 years of experience, I know that words are not interchangeable, every word you choose for a translation has a profound meaning and impact on the person reading it. Proper names are hardly ever translated, unless it is an adaptation for cultural and illustration purposes but proper names for actual people are never translated, because it would mean ripping the person of its identity. So you see why I'm not convinced. I still believe the true name of God and his Son are very important, this is not a meaningless discussion as you seem to believe. For many people like myself, it has profound implications. Thank you and God bless you.
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hnava posted a comment · May 21, 2016
Hello Dr. Brown. I respect you very much. Please forgive me for posting now although this article is from 2013. About your article, I think what you call nonsense about the names of God and his Son, will not go away any time soon, quite the contrary, it is becoming more and more popular. In my personal experience, Im not convinced of what you say because you provide no proof. On the other hand, people like this in these videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMWE7yJA4fY, provide plenty of common sense and logical proof. For educated people like myself (Im a Linguist and Translator) what he says makes perfect sense. I would like to ask you respectfully to investigate more on this, you are an influencer among many Christians and it is important to justify your opinions with evidences rather than with just opinions. Thank you and God bless you.