Really now posted a comment · May 16, 2022
I don’t disagree with you. I too believe in the sacredness and value of life. I do, however, fully acknowledge the complexities of EVERYONE’s human life, and the complexities of EACH person’s unique experiences. Banning or criminalizing abortion, or shaming those who make the tough choice to end a pregnancy is NOT the answer tho. I am NOT ‘pro-abortion’, but I AM VERY MUCH ‘pro-choice’. This is a decision between the pregnant person, other people in their lives, their doctor, and ‘God’. PERIOD. And btw - if ‘God’ is just and fair, you’d think they may consider the circumstances/contributing factors in their ‘judgement’, would you not??
Severiano David posted a comment · May 16, 2022
@ Really and @ Swkh310, you've both spoken like true leftists, and make no apology for that. You want to convince us on the Right to accept your persuasive arguments yet at the same time denigrate us as culturally, morally or intellectually bankrupt. Nothing could be further from the truth. Remember that at 3 weeks [from fertilization], the pre-born child’s heart is in an advanced stage of formation. His eyes begin to form, and his brain, spinal column, and nervous system are virtually complete. Of course, you cannot ask the baby inside your womb how she or he feels about being born. But you can ask survivors of abortion whether they are glad they survived, and to a person, they will say yes. They are also, almost certainly, pro-life today. And you can ask men and women who were conceived in rape if they are glad their mothers did not abort them. They too will say yes. In fact, some of the finest, most compassionate people I know on the planet were conceived in rape. They have done so much good to help so many people, but only because they were allowed to be born. You can also talk to kids with Down syndrome along with their moms and dads and siblings: they are overwhelmingly happy with their lives and cherished by their families. According to one major survey, “Among those surveyed, nearly 99% of people with Down syndrome indicated that they were happy with their lives; 97% liked who they are; and 96% liked how they look. Nearly 99% people with Down syndrome expressed love for their families, and 97% liked their brothers and sisters.” Also, according to a major survey published in 2011 by the American Journal of Medical Genetics, “The vast majority of parents said they have a more positive outlook on life because of their child with Down syndrome. And, nearly 90 percent of siblings indicated that they feel like they are better people because of their brother or sister with the developmental disability.” Yet mothers carrying babies with Down syndrome are commonly encouraged to abort their babies, even told they should “end” the “thing” in their womb. And I'm sure you probably venting at me, "Where do we draw the line?!" "And, if it’s wrong to bring a child into the world who will only suffer pain and sickness, why not terminate a three-month-old infant or a two-year-old toddler if their suffering is intense?!!" The obvious answer is, “Because that’s a child.” But what if it is also a child inside in the womb? Wouldn’t that same argument hold true? This is why we are so adamantly pro-life. It is not because we are heartless. It is certainly not because we are misogynistic. (Many, if not most, of the key pro-life leaders are women.) It is because we recognize that, the moment a baby is conceived, it is a human being with rights and dignity and purpose, and no one has the right to snuff out the life of that child. That’s also why excited, expectant mothers don’t say, “Look at my fetus bump!” They say, “Look at my baby bump!” And that’s why they say, “The baby just kicked me” rather than, “The fetus just kicked me.” And that’s why they talk to the little one in their womb and sing to their precious child. And that’s why they are so devastated and crushed if they miscarry and lose their baby. That’s a little human being in there, and they already love their child, sight unseen. Now, in saying all this, I don’t expect you two to change your positions on the spot, as if you never thought about this before. But I write all this to you for two reasons. First, understand that those of us who hold dear the value of every human being, beginning in the womb, are not your enemies. Second, if you’ve never studied the development of a baby in the womb or – this is quite jarring and shocking –looked seriously and thoughtfully at pictures of aborted babies, may I respectfully ask you to consider doing so? As pro-life followers of Jesus, we care about your lives too.
Really now posted a comment · May 13, 2022
As much as the Christian nationalist right loves to claim, very, very, very few ‘support abortion’. Most, including Jen hatmaker, simply understand the many complexities of living on this earth, and the excruciatingly difficult decisions people often have to make. These decisions are far bigger than themselves and include complex social and cultural variables. The religious right, however, LOVES to take the easy way out. They live to blame and shame, demonize, over exaggerate, and make the insane claim of ‘moral failure’. The left is far more forgiving, totally fine with acknowledging human complexity. My biggest wish is that we could ALL forget the insane political games, and come together with a COMMON GOAL - to REDUCE abortions. Not punish and jail those who make this choice, but dig deep - together - to address the underlying variables that contribute to abortion. Making casseroles for a week after a mandated childbirth won’t be enough. Sorry - its time to grow up, religious right. Time to put on the big kid pants.
Skwh310 said “ overwhelming majority of violence in this country is committed by middle-age, white, right-wing Christian, men. The worst thing the Left will do is snarl traffic with another pointless march.)” headlines read a little more than snarled traffic “ setting fire to pregnancy centers that help women! The truth comes out Skwh310 is capable of spreading a false biased narrative, no surprise there!
Skwh310 -“The 2nd to last paragraph is deliberately and cynically misleading.” prove it!
Skwh310 So much for your violence commentary, are you the purveyor of the dreaded disinformation / information gathering basing it on CNN’s or any other periodicals /Condemning an entire group based on the actions of a few! disingenuous, flawed typical of the of the liberal left . I question your contention that all your comments you base and cite from sources is empirical and verifiable , did you gain it by observation or experience ?It has been proven over and over News sources are polluted with bias! Headline banners with carefully placed words are the new deceptive weapons used by media Can not be cited as trusted! ———————————— Live updates LA abortion rights protest turn violent May 3, 2022
Skwh310 Headline-Wisconsin anti-abortion center targeted by arson, police say. -Cops confirm Molotov cocktails were used by Antifa goons to firebomb Wisconsin pro-life charity's office whose wall was sprayed with message saying: 'If abortions aren't safe you aren't either' -BREAKING: Antifa pro-abort men are attacking and putting out hits on pregnancy centers in Portland, OR. Because it drives pro-abort men to “violent rage” to think that women will have support to choose life. Skwh310 so much your disinformation on left violence!
Swkh310 posted a comment · May 12, 2022
Actually, it is the opposite of "whatabout"ism because my comments are empirical: specific to the discussion, fact-based, and verifiable. But, for a moment, I'll play your little game. If we all agree that (1) the goal is to reduce the number of abortions and (2) abortions are the result of unwanted pregnancies, then why do the so-called "Pro Life" crowd constantly and consistently oppose free/low-cost, easily available contraception and sex education? Check the numbers in Colorado. Their teen pregnancies and abortion rates were cut in half when birth control was made widely accessible. Could it be that the so-called "Pro Life" crowd are nothing more than a collection of self-righteous phoneys?
OrangeHunter posted a comment · May 12, 2022
Swkh310, your comment is a perfect example of whataboutism. One bad thing cannot be used as a justification for another bad thing. Yes, Christians sometimes neglect other social ills, but this in no way an excuse for abortophiles.
Swkh310 posted a comment · May 11, 2022
The 2nd to last paragraph is deliberately and cynically misleading. Where are the self-appointed "Pro Life"ers when it comes to universal access to contraception, prenatal care, delivery/hospital cost insurance, parental leave, day care? Their silence is deafening. As the absolutely brilliant George Carlin said of the so-called "Pro Life" crowd way back in 1996, "they will do anything for the unborn, but once you’re born, you’re on your own.” When it comes to the "Pro Life" crowd, truer words were never spoken.