Always tenaciously held to the pre-trib rapture but was puzzled regarding the verse in Daniel which speaks of the antichrist shattering the power of the Holy People also the verse in Rev 7 which speaks of the multitude who had come "Out of great tribulation". Then there is the verse that pre-tribbers conveniently by pass; Rev 13:7 "Power was given him [Antichrist] to make war with the saints AND OVERCOME them ! Seeing Jews are nowhere referred to as saints, who can these be but true believers. Have you got a teaching on the time line of events throughout the difficult book of Revelation as few events are chronological? Shalom Dave D.