Jay Seidler posted a comment · Oct 11, 2017
I was born and raised in the Pentecostal movement and continue in that movement. I have experience healing in my life and have prayed for many people and seen them experience healing. When I was a teenager, there was a disagreement about the doctrine of healing in my local congregation. A number of members began to be convinced that it was God's will for all to be healed. As this controversy continued, it split the church. I was very close to the leading family of the group that held that it is God's will for all to be healed. After much prayer and study in the Bible, I decided that it is God's perfect will for all to be healed, but this healing was not always meant to be during this lifetime. You wrote. “If we believe healing is included in the atonement and is always God’s desire for His children, then why do we see so few cancer healings today?” I am assuming by this you do believe that healing is always included in the atonement for this life. Of course all Christians of history understand healing to be included in the atonement, as one day we will all be healed in heaven. Since there are examples in scripture as you have mentioned, where Christians apparently did not receive healing, why should anyone assume that it was God will to heal them in this life. As our salvation is already accomplished in Christs atoning work, we still must as Paul said, work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Paul, in Romans also said that “we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.” While I agree that we should pray and expect our Heavenly Father to give us the good this we ask, I think that the insistence that all of this physical healing is the will of God on this side, is one example of an overrealized eschatology. Physical healing can be objectively verified. May salvation in a spiritual condition cannot be verified. I can believe that God has saved me according to the promises in the Bible, but there is not way I can scientifically verify my salvific state. I have met those who have not received physical healing that begin to also doubt their spiritual salvation. Since almost all the Christians of the past 2000 years died of some physical illness, including many who believed it was God's absolute will to heal them in this life, it seems reasonable that we can accept that God does not heal many in this life and if we insist that they died in a way that was not according to the perfect will of God it unreasonable. I have followed the ministry of Nabeel since he began. I prayed for his healing continuously for a year after he announced his cancer until he died. I continued to pray after he died that he would be raised from the dead. I followed Nabeel's vlog as he sought to find Biblical understanding about healing. I followed as he went to Bethel Church and experienced supranatural phenomena of prophetic nature about his healing. I watched as he came to say that we must believe that it is God will to heal, and that this type of faith is necessary when we expect healing. I doubt there have been many people who have received the prayers of more people than did Nabeel. Yet, Nabeel was not healed. You wrote that, “I personally believe that if Nabeel had been among those coming to Jesus for healing during His earthly ministry, he would have been healed on the spot.” I believe that Jesus is as present in the life of the believer as he was when he walk on this earth. By His spirit I am able to access Him 24/7. How could you assume that Jesus is any less active or real than he was in his earthly ministry. I find it highly presumptuous for us to assume that the absence of the Bible's specific declaration that no one whoever encountered Jesus every was denied healing. We can point to the fact that Jesus did select some to be healed in a crowd while not healing others. At the Pool of Bethesda Jesus approached only one of the many waiting upon God to be healed, yet Jesus seems to have ignored them at that time. Many who believe that it is God's will for all to be healed state that it is wrong to pray with the phrase “if God wills” This you also seem to state in your article. I am reminded of the story recorded in Matthew 8:3 when a leper came Jesus and knelt before him, saying, “Lord, if you will, you can make me clean.” Jesus healed the leper. This is an example of a situation where one did pray with the question of God's will, yet Jesus healed this one without hesitation. Jesus did not correct the man or question his faith. While I believe and expect healing to occur in my life and ministry and I do see it, I do not support the teaching that we must pray with what I call “faith in faith”. Notice the leper had faith in the ability of Jesus healing him, “if you will you CAN make me clean.” I have faith that God can heal all, and I see nothing wrong with proclaiming our confidence that God will do all according to his will. I do not see it as a positive teaching to put any doubt into the heart of the one seeking healing that their lack of healing might be some deficiency of one sort or another. No matter how much you or another may say they are not doing that, as long as you insist that it is God's will to heal all, this question cannot be avoided in the mind of those not yet healed. I would like to challenge you to reconsider your opinion about the statement “if God wills” when praying for healing. Can you provided clear instruction from the Bible that it is wrong to pray for healing using the phrase “if God wills” and instruction that if we do not BELIEVE that it IS God's will to be healed that it will limit God's healing activity.
broncoscott posted a comment · Sep 19, 2017
today I received the results of a bone marrow biopsy to determine how much leukemia was in my marrow after 8 months of a new chemotherapy. the disease CLL17P has no cure and is terminal with a 2-3 year mortality rate. in the past several months Pastors Brian Duley, Nikita Kolov and Siran Stacy have all laid hands on me and used anointing oil in prayer for healing. candidly, although I am a believer, I was skeptical, but hopeful. . this morning, the Dr. announced in amazement there was no CLL in my marrow. our God is the great healer yesterday, today and forever. Amen and AMEN.